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- From: alewisa@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Alan Lewis")
- Subject: Re: New Press Release!
- Message-ID: <DoMBL7.MpH@cix.compulink.co.uk>
- Organization: Compulink Information eXchange
- References: <4iofm6$e4j@serpens.rhein.de>
- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:48:43 GMT
- X-News-Software: Ameol32
-
- Is English your first language, or arte you just an asshole?
-
- > mart4372@mach1.wlu.ca (Reg Martin) writes:
- >
- > >Hate to break this to you Michael, but there's more to computing than
- > >word processors.
- > Sure it is. But if you need a Pentium to do word processing then
- > something is wrong, no ?
-
- Depends upon the complexity of the word processor, though, doesn't. An
- Amstard 1512 is fine for running Letter Perfect, except neither are
- common anymore. A 286 will run WP5.1 for DOS, but try buying either
- new... you end up left with running a 486 with Word4Windows (preferably
- v2, as it is les resource hungry).
-
- > >but now that I have an Amiga, I WOULD like to be able to run it.
- > I bet that you ask for a few hundred megs extra disk space and a few
- > megabytes extra RAM too, just in case you want to install NetBSD or
- >Linux.
-
- So what? If he aint got an MMU, it don`t matter if he asks more more RAM
- or hard disk apsace anyway. Without the MMU he can`t run them!
-
- > That's why you can buy various models and expand them. Why should
- > everbody buy something that only some users need ?
-
- Because developers tend to develop for the base model. And if it aint got
- an MMU, then they won`t develop software that uses one.
-
- > >An MMU is going to come in handy for
- > >a hefty percentage of users, and it's a trivial thing to add.
- > It costs. And that's why it is not _trivial to add_.
-
- Oh come on! A mouse costs money to add. A case costs money to add. A disk
- drive costs money to add, ect etc etc.
-
- > >to yourself -- Hmm... You know, if every Amiga came standard with an
- > >MMU, this crash might not have happend.
- > Which is illogical. Not even commercial developers (that don't have
- > problems to buy machines with MMUs) write software without enforcer >
- hits.
-
- Your reply loses me here. I understand it, but what relevance has it to
- do with the statement? In fact, it aint illogical. What he is saying is,
- that if his machine had an MMU, the crash may not have occured. An
- enforcer hot doesn`t mean a crash WILL occur. A crash, however, will
- always result with an enforcer hit.
-
- > And most software that crashes on my Amiga comes from c00l c0d3rz
- > anyway. Do you expect that an MMU would help them ?
-
- No, but would help them is a bloody guide to following the programming
- guidelines. They put data into code segments, make assumptions about
- addresses, use self modifying code, ect etc etc.
-
-
- > Ah, then tell me how do you add memory to an A1200 ? I have seen _one_
- > memory-only expansion and it isn't sold anymore. I have seen many
- > CPU+memory expansions which are only marginally more expensive (due to
- > volume).
-
- Hmm, I know of at leats three memory only expansion cards which were
- available here shortly after the A1200 was launched. All were MUCH
- cheaper than CPU+RAM cards. And in fact, still are.
-
- Just because you only saw one, it doesn't mean that that was the only one
- available.
-
- > >Why do you need an accelerator with an MMU in order to get more RAM?
- > Because there are no RAM-only expansions.
-
- Bzzzzzzt. Wrong. Ever haedr of the AmiTec Hawk? Its still going.
-
-
- > >the MMU is a mistake IMO. Actually, only offering one processor is
- > >the real mistake...
- > It reduces cost. If you want a different processor you have to wait for
- > an accelerator. Most people will wait for a PPC card anyway.
-
- What PPC card? There is NO official announcement on this card anyway. It
- is an assumption that AT will release one, IF they release the PPC Amiga.
- And they might NOt release a PC card for the older Amigas as the newwer
- ones may rely too much on "new" support chips.
-
- And yes, a multi processor based OS would be much better. One CPU for
- running all the "little" programs I use, such as Toolmanager. Another for
- running Final Writer, another for running AdPro.. another for NComm and
- AmiTCP. hey, i could even get by on using two CPU`s, let alone four. But
- a PPC? Shit, its gonna have to be fast to run my existing software at
- the same speed or better, before I upgrade...
-
- > >Just to satisfy you though, I'll give in. How about PageStream,
- > >WordWorth, ADPro, VistaPro, ShapeShifter, PhotoGenics, Imagine....
- > ADPro and Imagine could need an MMU.
- > Shapeshifter could use much better a good display driver.
-
- ADPro and Imagine could use an MMU for Virtual Memory.
- Yeah, ok, so in an ideal world Shapeshifter would have a better gfx
- driver, but what has that got to do with an MMU? Oh, of course, you don`t
- want to admit that SS would be better with an MMU
-
- > Pagestream, wordworth, vistapro, photogenic do not need an MMU.
- Unless you want to use VMem...
-
- > >requires memory", what I meant was "ANY OS friendly program which is
- > >not time critical and requires memory".
- > Most of these programs do not need an MMU or virtual memory. In fact,
- > with virtual memory they are hardly usuable.
-
- Yeah, ok. So if a program needs 4mb RAM and you only have 2mb, its
- unuseable if you use 2mb real plus 2mb virtual. Hardly as unueable as
- refusing to run because of lack of ANY memory.
-
- > >Sure, if you've got an expansion board with an extra 32Megs or so...
- > I have 16 Megs and most of the time I barely use 6 Megs.
-
- Begs the question, why do you have 16mb? More money than sense?
-
- > >That would be rather pointless don't you think? Christian and Jim are
- > >both perfectly aware that the graphics updates are slow without a
- > >graphics card.
- > They are perfectly aware that people that use ShapeShifter regularly
- > have a graphics card.
-
- Are they?
-
- > >a big fat 50Mhz 060. My computer is too slow, because just about
- > >everything I do on it could be faster,
- > Ah. With a faster CPU you could type faster ? This is surely true of
- > Word for Windows, but on the Amiga ?
-
- Yeah... ever used Final Writer or Wordworth?
-
- > >It's not a fact because I claimed it is. It's a fact because there
- > >ARE 1200 owners out there running ShapeShifter. Go ahead and ask
- > >around...
-
- > Oh sure. I haven't seen _one_. But I have seen many that use A1200s with
- > a Blizzard accelerator. After all there isn't much you can do with a
- > base A1200 and ShapeShifter. Half of all the Mac software couldn't be
- >loaded into 2 Megs of RAM.
-
- Oh, YOU haven`t seen anyone running SS on an A1200, so it isn`t done. God
- has spoken. hey pal, ever seen my my house? Nah? guess it don't exist
- then.
-
- Rgds
- Alan
-